Should I even bother trying to apply at EA Tiburon? My current situation is pretty chill (42-45 work weeks with free meals etc.) and only 25 minute commute.
I used to do Computational Geometry research in school and my friend offered to refer me to EA, which sounded exiting. Who doesn't wanna make the cool games? This site needless to say made me think twice about this. My friend mentioned that he was quite happy, but that he had to put in "60-70 hours for the past few months". Is there a way around that, can I pick a team where there are good people and I won't be behind all the time? Can I be compensated hourly? Is this pretty much the norm? Have things changed recently?
I am not what you'd call a hard core gamer -- I've played all my life but stopped for years and was never really absorbed in the culture. I am not sure that I will last, even if I try to adjust my lifestyle and everything else. I play soccer all the time and generally like to be active and out-going as much as I can (I also smoke pot so that's not always very easy :) ).
The job market in my town is very good and I could always find 60 here on ~3 years experience. Is this comparable to what EA pays? Is Orlando expensive? Could anyone tell me what a SE II starts out at? I've heard that SE I starts at ~50-60k + options and bonus.
Should I bother applying? How did the rehashing work out? Have things changed?
Let me ask you this: are they likely to be reading this?
2006-10-09 07:31 pm (UTC)
Re: Position at EA?
As long as people are commenting, they're most likely reading, yes.
that the quality of EA's games has not improved one iota in the transition from small independent startup to Microsoft-like corporate tyrant.
I am old enough to remember when EA was just another player in a very diverse and crowded market. Games like Skate Or Die were just one of thousands of games my friends and I competed with one another at, and the sad part is that such games as SOD were actually fun. Hours and hours and hours of fun. This wass as much due to the differing games-corporate culture as it was the simple fact that games could not rely solely on graphics to sell. Put simply, if the gameplay was terrible (and that era had no shortage of its own terrible games), it did not sell, or even get played.
Today's games culture would have many of the children of the early 1980s shaking in despair if they could see it. So much effort and attention goes on some graphics engine that supposedly delivers photorealism, but things move about with such speed in a lot of genres that even assuming you do not have epileptic reactions, you cannot really see what is happening anyhow. It is as if the developers are masking so much of what they seem so proud of, paradoxically. Or maybe it is because if we stop gnashing our teeth in frustration at how we cannot seem to analyse and properly strategise in the game, we will notice how badly the gameplay sucks. It does not matter whether it is called Gran Tourismo 4 or Lord Of The Rings: The Third Age. They all feature massive glitches, they all feature levels that feel so rigged you just know they were designed to prevent all but the most hardcore gamers seeing the bits that the developers never got to finish, and they all feel more like a chore than a pleasure to play.
Anyone who has read my journal will know that I have a very low opinion of what social justice and societal bonds were in the 1980s (and today), so when I say that I would go back to that time in order to get a decent gaming industry back, it says a lot. With EA using worker relations techniques that would have got them shut down in 1985, it really shows me how much faith I should have in the law, anywhere. Had EA gone bankrupt in about 1988 or so, that would have been a tragedy. If they had done so in 1998, that would have caused me to do backflips.
2006-10-23 12:05 pm (UTC)
Your Games Programmer Salary
I've been a graphics programmer for many years, but I avoid the games and effects industries like the plague. Games programming is much harder than standard business application programming, where wages begin at about £62 (=$112) per hour on contract in the UK. And yes, you can work every day of the year. I thought I'd go through a few typical numbers based on hours worked in the games industry:
1 x months at 70 hours per week = 280 hours
2 x months at 60 hours per week = 480 hours
9 x months at 50 hours per week = 1800 hours
Total Hours = 2560 hours
Total pay at £62 per hour = £158,720 = $297,248
And that's just for relatively easy coding. Obviously, there are other tax and government dedictions and yes, if you're not on contract, maybe you take a bit less for the security. But..How does your games or effects coding salary compare against this ? Seriously, you are being ripped off. Get together and do something. If the games companies business model doesn't stretch to this, it just means they can't afford you and that's their problem. Don't listen to crap about 'normal for the industry'. You are in the software industry and a difficult, niche part at that.
2006-10-28 08:10 pm (UTC)
Do a web seach EA BOYCOTT OR BOYCOTT EA and join the move. The EA BOYCOTT is gaining ground. Post any were you can any way you can. WE CAN DO THIS.
2007-01-07 06:44 pm (UTC)
screwed up game
This Christmas I got the game From Russia With Love 007 from my friend. It was a brand new game, neverr been opened and I put in my regular Xbox and it said that it can't read the disc. I tried a few more times and eventually it started to load the game. I started to play the first level and near the end I was walking and there was n
Wow EA spouse I can really feel what your saying here. Your use of words has opened my eyes to what goes on with EA. If you visit the Electonic Arts lord of the rings battle for middle earth 2 forum you can find me there. I for one can now understand why this game is in the state it's in. A lot of gamers there are actually talking about boycotting all EA games due to a severe lack of technical support and community response. But I can now see it's not the employees that are the problem it's the management and upper management. I hope this story you've told here has had a happy ending for you and your family.
Hi there, and thanks for your message. It's good to hear from someone who played the game, I know there are so many, but I haven't exchanged much with the fans.
Any failings you're finding certainly weren't the team's fault. They were up against phenomenal odds and they worked like dogs on that game, I can promise you. They're great people and they did a tremendous job in spite of the conditions they worked under. It's remarkable, given the conditions, that the game came out as well as it did -- which is to say very well -- and is a testament to the skill and dedication of the individuals involved.
As I understand it, things are better at the studio now, and the guys immediately responsible for that particular project (though I think the overall responsibility chain does go all the way up to the top) are no longer there. Then again, most of the BFME2 team has also moved on from what I understand.
Thanks again for your note, and for stopping by. =)
2007-02-26 08:55 pm (UTC)
Working at EA was the worst job of my life!!!
Nikki Rohm needs a face lift!!!
2007-02-27 12:56 am (UTC)
NY Times is reporting that Larry is out as EA's CEO and John Riccitiello is in.
The article carries this observation:
"But critics question whether EA is becoming overvalued -- and whether it's been resting too long on the laurels of established hits.
"They worry that scrappy startups -- which distribute games inexpensively on the Internet -- could generate more buzz and eventually dethrone the reigning video game leader, which makes vastly more money from shrink-wrapped 'off the shelf' titles rather than downloads. They wonder why Activision Inc. -- and not EA -- could come up with the delightfully quirky 'Guitar Hero.'"
EA_Spouse, I haven't read every single word of your post, and I will tomorrow, but I read enough to see that I seriously think EA is STILL abusing their employees, and it is showing up in the quality of their games, horrible treatment of me & other customers, and lack of caring what the customer is going through as a result of employee mistreatment. I'm actually firey mad right now. I don't know how to start a class-action lawsuit against a company, but I sure would like to know how. I am an expert computer user, sr. software developer, and I have been playing a series of Maxis games since 2000. Ever since EA bought Maxis, I have been in a battle with EA's weak tech-support for the game. The problems/bugs in the game I like to play are getting worse and worse, and tonight I realized the web developers did something strange to my userid on their BBS so anything I respond to doesn't timestamp my posts to the top of the list.
Mine is a really long story, and I think I will start a journal about it, but I've been loyal to Maxis for a long time and gritting my teeth having to deal with a bunch of tech support reps who are threatened by my knowledge, experience, hunches, expertise, and accusations on what is going on over at EA/Maxis. I do have to figure out how to make it short, sweet, and to the point. Your article is quite old, and I'm amazed that I found it looking for any class-action lawsuits against EA. Well, they've really ticked me off now, and I'm out for results. People like me end up being ignored, abused, blown-off, and picked-on by illiterate computer users. So, I think this will be a very good place to see how the end-result of abusing employees in a company affects customers. EA is making huge revenues off their labor while thumbing their noses at the very people helping to pay their salaries. This is actually being spurred on by my disgust with all aspects of the "untouchable" companies of the Internet. Compared to what I had to do in order to get good at my trade, it has all gone away so that corporations like EA can make the quick buck ... at any cost.
Thank you for the inspiration to write my story on this site. If you have any pointers for me, feel free to send me a private message. I belong to so many sites in the world, I forget to visit them if emails aren't sent when someone responds to me. I hope my paper does as well as yours did!
ea_spouse, I thank you whole heartedly. I've heard the EA is a monster to work for, and as someone looking to break into the industry, I'm sizing up my prospects as best I can, but hearing your experiences, I can assure you, there is no way I will even look their way. My sincerest sympathies for having to deal with all that, pardon my language, bullshit.
since i have no attachment to any software or tech company, i'll post by name. but. it seems that every computer tech type person is overworked and underpaid. i believe they actually passed a law last year to make it easier to overwork them since it's not viewed as "labor-intensive" or something. at any rate. it's a serious problem especially considering the continued rapid expansion of the field. for all those suffering from this, look at your contract and see if it prohibits unions. if it doesn't, look into forming one. i'm sure it would be an easy sell to your fellow workers. in the mean time, if that scares you too much, contact your local branch of USPIRG. they tend to have a strong voice in passing reform legislation of various sorts. if everyone on here emails them asking that they look into labor rights of technology workers, i'm sure they will fit it on their docket. you don't have to suffer alone. if you work together, your voice can be stronger than the companies'.
2007-06-24 03:49 am (UTC)
I feel your pain, glad you got something out of it
I am glad you got the class action lawsuit.
I worked for a bio-technology company fresh out of college for over a year and still continue to work their as a student only so I can survive through med school.
I was naive when I graduated school as a pre-med major and got offered a job in the same town as my small liberal arts state school was in.
The pay was 11 bucks an hour starting out (I could have made 18 starting out for 40 hours a week with good benefits in a city), but the company preached family values and only minimal overtime, and they promised my hourly rate would be increased substantially after my 3 month probation period ended. They lied.
At the end of my 3rd month there at this company known as Diagnostic Hybrids Inc., I was given a raise of 1.10 and our. Woo hoo 12.10 an hour to work and make a company millions of dollars. The worst part was as soon as the raise kicked in, my hours went from 45 a week to being hooked up to an alarm system and being on call 24/7 so I couldn't even enjoy my weekends and had to be in town to go in if anything happened to incubators, refrigerators, etc. I also began being forced to work an average work week of 60+ hours and then they cut our health benefits so we got even less health insurance coverage. I was also on call 24/7. I gained a lot of weight, could not sleep, constantly depressed, and I couldn't do anything because I lacked energy. My hair was falling out and I was having chronic stomach problems was the constant stress of being yelled at and having my job threatened. Whenever money was mentioned we were told to either "put up or shut up" "take it or leave it" or "this is a small town so the cost of living is not as high so we can pay less."
Athens, OH is a college town with a small housing market and a large rich college student population.
I can live in upper arlington, OH renting a full sized house for cheaper than I could rent a 1 bedroom apartment in Athens. Please cut the shit.
2 workers manufactured over half of the company's products. 2 people did the culture work and 5 people dispensed the product.
My typical work day went from 7:30-8:00 AM - 5:00 PM to starting at 6:00 AM and ending at 7 PM if I was lucky. The worst part is we never had a set schedule. We never knew when we would go home.
We couldn't even take a 15 minute break every 4 hours.
When we did, management would be on our asses and telling us how lazy we were.
I began to eat lunch in less than 5 minutes and I would not use the bathroom the whole day at work.
Luckily I got into med school and went back to part time work, but my boss wasn't so lucky. He eventually got canned and is now much happier working at another company, but the DHI is still doing the same thing to new employees.
I still get shit on on a daily basis, but at least the light is at the end of the tunnel.
Family values? - Yeah right
Fair wages? - Yeah right
I am just glad you and your husband got what you deserved in the end.
I will probably be fired if they ever find out who wrote this, but who cares.
Yes, further lawsuits have been discussed in other states based on FLSA, but California is a much easier state to take action in because its state laws act in addition to FLSA. A state can't have employment laws *below* the standards of FLSA, but it can have additional ones.
2007-08-01 05:02 pm (UTC)
Quit your job
I'm thinking about going to school for game development in the Orlando area which just happens to be near EA tiburon. I know that they are going to get a lot of students to intern and eventually work for them. Considering how much I hate their games and their business practices, I will never work for them, not even an internship. Does anyone know if these insane hours exist in simulation jobs or even casual cell phone game jobs? For everyone working at EA: Quit your job!
2007-08-01 05:08 pm (UTC)
Re: Quit your job
Thanks for your comment. Depending on what you want to do, you may also consider finding the best computer science school you can and attending there as an alternative. Feel free to head over to Gamewatch for more discussion on this kind of thing!
The short answer to your question is "yes" and the more accurate one is "it depends". Every company is going to be unique. However the shorter the product cycle the less chance there is for intensive deathmarch. Similarly, the "flatter" the company structure -- the less distance there is between you and the CEO in the org chart -- the more control you are going to have over your destiny. Companies that work in the fields you describe do generally tend to have higher quality of life. The small cell phone game companies are a little more touch-and-go because they can be REALLY small and when a company is below a certain size its culture is going to be more variable than at a company that has to balance the needs of more than 10 people. Do your research, ask around, get involved in the game community (join the IGDA!) and you'll be able to make an informed decision about the first company you work for. Best of luck! Hope to see you on Gamewatch.
2007-09-26 12:27 am (UTC)
i'm still thinking about getting work in the videogame
industry. i'm a 3d modeler, but i'm learning code.
right now i'm learning python and c++.
115 dollars an hour sounds pretty good to me :)
i don't have a wife though.
i think i miight want to freelance,
but i guess thats probably the the job
where they call you during worst time :)
"you can freelance this project for the next three days straight,
you'll still get a lunch break... and if you're not too weird
after those three days we'll ask you back!"
2007-09-26 12:31 am (UTC)
p.s. if anyone knows of any freelance opportunities,
here's my 3d blog http://adams3dpage.blogspot.com/
this isn't spam also.
hopefully i won't get blacklisted from this,
i'm just reading up from all angles. EA rules!
2007-10-30 06:36 pm (UTC)
Re: Продаю сертификаты Вебмани.
we dont speak alien
2007-11-18 06:20 am (UTC)
Здравствуйте Хороший сайт =)))
Хотелось бы принять посильное участие в его жизни!
Wow, am I ever late to the party on this one. I only just stumbled upon your site, and incredibley eye-opening essary, whilst reading up on different aspects of the gaming industry. I remembered hearing vaguely about a class-action suit against EA a couple years back, but never quite understood the magnitude of its capacity.
It's probably quite a moot point now, but I think your part in this expose is very admirably; you've undoubtedly been the voice of many spouses, and for that, and the all-round victory, you should be very proud of yourself.
I've never had a particular faith in any major corporation; but for some reason, I feel I had fooled myself into thinking that gaming companies would be more laidback, more understanding, more... "cool". How wrong I was.
Thank you for this, and my continued best wishes for the health and happiness of you and your family, and of those workers affiliated with EA, past, present, and future.
-Tracey La Mer
damn that really is horrible, unfortunately Vivendi and Activision are merging
creating the new Activision Blizzard, looks like employee abuse will only continue :(
2008-04-22 11:01 pm (UTC)
this really is horrible. I never would have thought someone could do something like that. I find this kind of business deplorable. it's what's wrong with the world's businesses today: No morals, at all. This is the kind of thing that needs to be eliminated.
I truly didn't know any of the inner workings behind the making of a game, and this has given me a multitude of great insight. Thank you for broadening my horizons. I guess the saying is true; You learn something new everyday.
2008-09-14 01:44 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this post!
2008-10-27 12:47 am (UTC)
EA will fall, like any evil. I'm not too sure what's happening with the quality of it's employee's lives, but I do know that they are sweating over the trespassing into peoples systems thing. They are so greedy that they tried to stop ANYONE pirating the game with their invasive SecuRom crap, and as a result EVERYONE pirates the game and they are going to get sued by every individual who steps forward to complain about it (There is some hot-shot californian lawyer who has volunteered to take on every individuals case worldwide, free of charge, because he knows he is going to win). I am actually going to buy a copy just so I can join this crusade. Give them their last $80, then take away everything.
Burn to the ground, you bastards.
I only today started to think of a career as a storywriter/setting creator for games. Because a good friend told me I should try as I have the passion for it. Now I read this I know to definitely NOT to try and contact EA for it. So I would like to say thanks for the warning! I'll try other companies instead.