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EA: The Human Story [Nov. 10th, 2004|12:01 am]
My significant other works for Electronic Arts, and I'm what you might call a disgruntled spouse.

EA's bright and shiny new corporate trademark is "Challenge Everything." Where this applies is not exactly clear. Churning out one licensed football game after another doesn't sound like challenging much of anything to me; it sounds like a money farm. To any EA executive that happens to read this, I have a good challenge for you: how about safe and sane labor practices for the people on whose backs you walk for your millions?

I am retaining some anonymity here because I have no illusions about what the consequences would be for my family if I was explicit. However, I also feel no impetus to shy away from sharing our story, because I know that it is too common to stick out among those of the thousands of engineers, artists, and designers that EA employs.

Our adventures with Electronic Arts began less than a year ago. The small game studio that my partner worked for collapsed as a result of foul play on the part of a big publisher -- another common story. Electronic Arts offered a job, the salary was right and the benefits were good, so my SO took it. I remember that they asked him in one of the interviews: "how do you feel about working long hours?" It's just a part of the game industry -- few studios can avoid a crunch as deadlines loom, so we thought nothing of it. When asked for specifics about what "working long hours" meant, the interviewers coughed and glossed on to the next question; now we know why.

Within weeks production had accelerated into a 'mild' crunch: eight hours six days a week. Not bad. Months remained until any real crunch would start, and the team was told that this "pre-crunch" was to prevent a big crunch toward the end; at this point any other need for a crunch seemed unlikely, as the project was dead on schedule. I don't know how many of the developers bought EA's explanation for the extended hours; we were new and naive so we did. The producers even set a deadline; they gave a specific date for the end of the crunch, which was still months away from the title's shipping date, so it seemed safe. That date came and went. And went, and went. When the next news came it was not about a reprieve; it was another acceleration: twelve hours six days a week, 9am to 10pm.

Weeks passed. Again the producers had given a termination date on this crunch that again they failed. Throughout this period the project remained on schedule. The long hours started to take its toll on the team; people grew irritable and some started to get ill. People dropped out in droves for a couple of days at a time, but then the team seemed to reach equilibrium again and they plowed ahead. The managers stopped even talking about a day when the hours would go back to normal.

Now, it seems, is the "real" crunch, the one that the producers of this title so wisely prepared their team for by running them into the ground ahead of time. The current mandatory hours are 9am to 10pm -- seven days a week -- with the occasional Saturday evening off for good behavior (at 6:30pm). This averages out to an eighty-five hour work week. Complaints that these once more extended hours combined with the team's existing fatigue would result in a greater number of mistakes made and an even greater amount of wasted energy were ignored.

The stress is taking its toll. After a certain number of hours spent working the eyes start to lose focus; after a certain number of weeks with only one day off fatigue starts to accrue and accumulate exponentially. There is a reason why there are two days in a weekend -- bad things happen to one's physical, emotional, and mental health if these days are cut short. The team is rapidly beginning to introduce as many flaws as they are removing.

And the kicker: for the honor of this treatment EA salaried employees receive a) no overtime; b) no compensation time! ('comp' time is the equalization of time off for overtime -- any hours spent during a crunch accrue into days off after the product has shipped); c) no additional sick or vacation leave. The time just goes away. Additionally, EA recently announced that, although in the past they have offered essentially a type of comp time in the form of a few weeks off at the end of a project, they no longer wish to do this, and employees shouldn't expect it. Further, since the production of various games is scattered, there was a concern on the part of the employees that developers would leave one crunch only to join another. EA's response was that they would attempt to minimize this, but would make no guarantees. This is unthinkable; they are pushing the team to individual physical health limits, and literally giving them nothing for it. Comp time is a staple in this industry, but EA as a corporation wishes to "minimize" this reprieve. One would think that the proper way to minimize comp time is to avoid crunch, but this brutal crunch has been on for months, and nary a whisper about any compensation leave, nor indeed of any end of this treatment.

This crunch also differs from crunch time in a smaller studio in that it was not an emergency effort to save a project from failure. Every step of the way, the project remained on schedule. Crunching neither accelerated this nor slowed it down; its effect on the actual product was not measurable. The extended hours were deliberate and planned; the management knew what they were doing as they did it. The love of my life comes home late at night complaining of a headache that will not go away and a chronically upset stomach, and my happy supportive smile is running out.

No one works in the game industry unless they love what they do. No one on that team is interested in producing an inferior product. My heart bleeds for this team precisely BECAUSE they are brilliant, talented individuals out to create something great. They are and were more than willing to work hard for the success of the title. But that good will has only been met with abuse. Amazingly, Electronic Arts was listed #91 on Fortune magazine's "100 Best Companies to Work For" in 2003.

EA's attitude toward this -- which is actually a part of company policy, it now appears -- has been (in an anonymous quotation that I've heard repeated by multiple managers), "If they don't like it, they can work someplace else." Put up or shut up and leave: this is the core of EA's Human Resources policy. The concept of ethics or compassion or even intelligence with regard to getting the most out of one's workforce never enters the equation: if they don't want to sacrifice their lives and their health and their talent so that a multibillion dollar corporation can continue its Godzilla-stomp through the game industry, they can work someplace else.

But can they?

The EA Mambo, paired with other giants such as Vivendi, Sony, and Microsoft, is rapidly either crushing or absorbing the vast majority of the business in game development. A few standalone studios that made their fortunes in previous eras -- Blizzard, Bioware, and Id come to mind -- manage to still survive, but 2004 saw the collapse of dozens of small game studios, no longer able to acquire contracts in the face of rapid and massive consolidation of game publishing companies. This is an epidemic hardly unfamiliar to anyone working in the industry. Though, of course, it is always the option of talent to go outside the industry, perhaps venturing into the booming commercial software development arena. (Read my tired attempt at sarcasm.)

To put some of this in perspective, I myself consider some figures. If EA truly believes that it needs to push its employees this hard -- I actually believe that they don't, and that it is a skewed operations perspective alone that results in the severity of their crunching, coupled with a certain expected amount of the inefficiency involved in running an enterprise as large as theirs -- the solution therefore should be to hire more engineers, or artists, or designers, as the case may be. Never should it be an option to punish one's workforce with ninety hour weeks; in any other industry the company in question would find itself sued out of business so fast its stock wouldn't even have time to tank. In its first weekend, Madden 2005 grossed $65 million. EA's annual revenue is approximately $2.5 billion. This company is not strapped for cash; their labor practices are inexcusable.

The interesting thing about this is an assumption that most of the employees seem to be operating under. Whenever the subject of hours come up, inevitably, it seems, someone mentions 'exemption'. They refer to a California law that supposedly exempts businesses from having to pay overtime to certain 'specialty' employees, including software programmers. This is Senate Bill 88. However, Senate Bill 88 specifically does not apply to the entertainment industry -- television, motion picture, and theater industries are specifically mentioned. Further, even in software, there is a pay minimum on the exemption: those exempt must be paid at least $90,000 annually. I can assure you that the majority of EA employees are in fact not in this pay bracket; ergo, these practices are not only unethical, they are illegal.

I look at our situation and I ask 'us': why do you stay? And the answer is that in all likelihood we won't; and in all likelihood if we had known that this would be the result of working for EA, we would have stayed far away in the first place. But all along the way there were deceptions, there were promises, there were assurances -- there was a big fancy office building with an expensive fish tank -- all of which in the end look like an elaborate scheme to keep a crop of employees on the project just long enough to get it shipped. And then if they need to, they hire in a new batch, fresh and ready to hear more promises that will not be kept; EA's turnover rate in engineering is approximately 50%. This is how EA works. So now we know, now we can move on, right? That seems to be what happens to everyone else. But it's not enough. Because in the end, regardless of what happens with our particular situation, this kind of "business" isn't right, and people need to know about it, which is why I write this today.

If I could get EA CEO Larry Probst on the phone, there are a few things I would ask him. "What's your salary?" would be merely a point of curiosity. The main thing I want to know is, Larry: you do realize what you're doing to your people, right? And you do realize that they ARE people, with physical limits, emotional lives, and families, right? Voices and talents and senses of humor and all that? That when you keep our husbands and wives and children in the office for ninety hours a week, sending them home exhausted and numb and frustrated with their lives, it's not just them you're hurting, but everyone around them, everyone who loves them? When you make your profit calculations and your cost analyses, you know that a great measure of that cost is being paid in raw human dignity, right?



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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 09:30 pm (UTC)

Rape is never a good thing

If I worked for a place that was so unashamedly raping me, then I'd make moves to leave. Get everything lined up, then explain to them upon leaving that rape of a sexual nature is against many many laws - not least of which human morality! And that this is no different, a job is a symbiotic relationship where overall the company "wins" because they take the risks, and can afford to do so. That does not mean that they can abuse their staff like this. It's a very foolish idea on EA's part - very much like all the outsourcing that is happening right now (some of which is arguably "beneficial" but most of which isn't in the long run) - the problem is that it will take a long time for the results to truly filter through. Anyone noticed how the quality levels of EA games has been dropping recently? Surely it's no surprise? Just like many have said here programming in not like stuffing boxes, where even there it's a crappy thing to do to your staff, but the effects on an intellectually challenging role are catastrophic over time. Vote with your feet, then clearly state why you left to HR, management etc...
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 05:12 am (UTC)

Re: Rape is never a good thing

Whoever wrote this, I hope to God you never get raped, but if you do I'm sure the difference between it and being asked to work extra hard for a job you are comfortably compensated for (including some of the best benefits in the industry) will become a lot clearer.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 10:07 pm (UTC)

Let's do something about this...

I am an ea spouse as well. I spoke to my mother-in-law who is really well versed in labor issues and she suggests the following -- for those of us who want to take some action with this and not let this web post and our related comments be the end of things rather than the beginning.

The posts on here detailing what we've all been through are a great start, but most of us are posting anonymously (for obvious reasons) to detail all we've been through and continue to go through. It is great to vent, but I think what we all want is ACTION -- including back pay and future committment on the part of EA that they will pay their employees for the time they are working.

What we need to do is start a document to forward to labor officials with our statements in order to get them to open a case and start an investigation. We can do so using anonymous emails -- In other words, I don't need you to submit your real name and contact information, as long as official labor reps have a way to contact you (via that anonymous email address).

For starters, I am taking the testimony of my husband and I, along with anyone else who works for EA and wants to contribute their testimony via an email. I then plan to submit this document to the proper California labor officials (since that is where EA is headquartered) in hopes of getting them to open a case to review EA's labor practices. The only thing that I ask is that you include in your email, in addition to your story, is which EA studio you or your SO work at. The only reason for this is so that when I submit the paperwork, I can separate the testimonies by city location.

You can contact me at united_we_stand@hotmail.com

Many thanks!
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From: bwingb
2004-11-15 10:14 pm (UTC)

Re: Let's do something about this...

Thanks for this proactive stance. It's refreshing.

I am wondering though, what if they only change their practices in California?

Maybe you can post step by step procedure here as a roadmap to others should they want to do likewise. I understand conditions are the same in Canada as well... and also in come other companies, some of them not even games related.

We've had a whole lot of interesting discussion here!
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 10:12 pm (UTC)

Easy to look good.

It's easy for them to have pulled out the 93rd postion on the best to work for list. When a company makes it remotely easy to work on the 'overhead' or 'indirect' side of the company (the people who do HR, Accounting, Contracts etc...) then the compay looks good to the outside. If you give the 'office people' free coffee and water and a few smoke breaks they'll sing the praises and deny all of the bad claims coming from 'those crazy programmers'. It's awful the way EA traats their programmers, and it's awful that it most likely will continue... to the detriment of our passion of video gaming and programming
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From: bwingb
2004-11-15 10:15 pm (UTC)

Re: Easy to look good.

It's not just the programmers. It's also the artist (animators, modelers) and game testers.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 10:24 pm (UTC)

FairPay — Filing a Complaint for Back Wages Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)

FairPay — Filing a Complaint for Back Wages Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)

Who Can File a Complaint?

Any non-exempt employee covered by the FLSA who believes that he or she has not been paid the required federal minimum wage (currently $5.15 per hour) or overtime (1½ times the regular rate of pay for hours worked in excess of 40 in a work week) may file a complaint with the Wage and Hour Division (WHD) of the U.S. Department of Labor.
Where Can a Complaint be Filed?

A complaint may be filed by mail or in person at any WHD District Office.
When Should a Complaint be Filed?

The FLSA contains a two-year statute of limitations (three-years for willful violations). This means that any part of a back wage claim which was earned more than two years before a federal court lawsuit is filed may not be collectible.
Accordingly, to ensure WHD can complete its investigation before the statute of limitation expires, employees should file complaints with WHD as soon as the violation occurs but no later than 18 months after the violation occurred.
What Information Must Be Included in a Complaint?

The employee's name, address, and telephone number (with the best time of the day to be reached);
Employee's job title and a description of the kind of work done;
Rate, method and frequency of wage payment — for example: paid weekly at $7.00 per hour or paid a salary of $900.00 twice each month ;
Number of hours actually worked each week;
A description of the alleged violation(s) — for example: my employer failed to pay overtime for extra shifts or failed to pay for time spent loading the truck ;
Date(s) of the alleged violation(s); and
The employer's name, address, telephone number and nature of business (for example : school, farm, restaurant , etc.).
What Happens When a Complaint is Filed?

WHD staff will review the complaint to determine if the complainant: (1) was/is a non-exempt employee performing work covered by the FLSA, and (2) may have been paid/not paid in violation of FLSA requirements.
WHD staff will contact the complainant if the information provided is insufficient to make these determinations or if permission to use the complainant's name during an investigation is required to pursue the investigation.
If the review provides a reasonable belief that a potential violation of the FLSA has occurred, which the WHD can rectify, an investigation of the employer will be scheduled.
If the WHD is unable to conduct an investigation or secure back wages as a result of an investigation, the employee retains the right to bring a private lawsuit in federal court to recover back wages.
How Can I Learn More About Federal Wage Requirements?

For additional information, visit the WHD Web site: and/or call the WHD toll-free information and helpline, available 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. in your time zone, 1-866-4USWAGE (1-866-487-9243) .
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 10:29 pm (UTC)

Management Email Fun: Tiburon Studio, FL

Please note my manager says we are doing a good job but has pressure from above to do more:


Alpha, alpha, alpha.

We are now just under 5 weeks away until our beta, and 6 away from being final. Everything is going really well so far, the game looks great, bug counts are good.

I think that our approach to Alpha hours has been a good one for most people and one that has been mostly successful thus far. However, I have had some pressure to formalize the process a bit more. The goal is to give people on the team a better sense of when they can expect others to be here, as well as to structure the process in a way that could be passed on to other teams. At first glance, this might seem a bit harsh considering the success of the system so far, but in practical terms I don't expect this will change much for most people. (At least not more than things would be changing anyways as we step things up nearing Beta.)

Listed below are hour ranges for weekdays and Saturday. I would like everyone to choose the 12 hours within those ranges that they can be expected to be here. This will allow people to know when they can expect others to be here if they need help, and will hopefully lead to us being able to arrange our workloads more efficiently as a result.

There will still be a lot of manager discretion, I will try to monitor everyone as best I can, and send people home that are not needed at the moment, or in desperate need of some rest. I will inform the team when I decide to do this so that everyone is aware of what is going on. If you are ever feeling like you have nothing to do, or are dead tired, please come see me. Some days will be worse than others, and some people will have it worse than other people (some people will be working more than 12 hours per day). I would rather have that then to keep everyone here no matter what. I also don't expect you to strictly adhere to this, I understand that there may be some nights that require us to be here later, or you may have some errands to run in the morning at some point, so there will be a lot of flexibility in this, I just want to set some general parameters on when we will be around and when not.

So, if everyone could reply to me and pick your general 12 hour block, that would be great:

Hours (M-F)
8am - 11pm

Hours (Saturday)
10am - 12am

I would expect that this block of hours will get bigger as we get closer to Beta (for example 8am - 4am), that will just be a result of some of us ending up being here really late, and thus not being able to get in real early. It is still a top priority for me to avoid having to go to seven day weeks in the future. In order to accomplish that, we need to continue to stay right on top of things.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 12:45 am (UTC)

Re: Management Email Fun: Tiburon Studio, FL

This is a perfect example of the studio execs putting unnecessary pressure on the team, and requiring time when it is not needed. He states clearly that you guys are on target with development and bug numbers. But you're required to WORK HARDER! For what? You're already performing well.

My nuts on their lips,
An EA employee who's doing something about it right now!

Write letters!
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 10:35 pm (UTC)


I just wanted to say thankyou for posting this. I genuinely believe that reading this post and the many comments will change people's lives - it has changed mine.

I recently decided to quit a postgraduate degree in games programming because I feared many of the things you described here happening to me. Reading the many comments here has settled every possible doubt I had in my mind that I was making the right decision. You have really made me a happier person!

I'm leaving programming altogether, to do something I might actually enjoy, where I'll have some kind of job security and holidays actually exist. I only wish I'd had the chance to read this when I was 17 and I decided to do a Computer Science degree with vague notions of reaching some promised land of games development. The truth is, all jobs have elements that suck, and there really is no promised land. In the case of the games industry, it sounds more like hell.

I hope that you will continue to fight this on behalf of all the other EA employees, all other games developers, and all of those dreamer games geeks out there (far more dedicated than me) who are going to throw their futures away for something that just doesn't exist. But please remember that ultimately no fight is worth your health or your relationship, and that walking away to save either of those is no disgrace. I'm sure others will carry on the fight.

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[User Picture]From: expanding_soul
2004-11-15 10:37 pm (UTC)
damn, I feel bad that I bought the sims 2
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[User Picture]From: practicesmiling
2004-11-15 10:52 pm (UTC)
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 10:45 pm (UTC)

You Should Sue

Not only are 12 hour work days immoral they are illegal. You SO, along with others in his position should either contact their local ACLU rep or form a Union. The Gaming industry is still a relativley new buisness so it seems likely that this sort of injustice will occur. I suggest taking immediate action and publising the injustice as much as possible.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 11:17 pm (UTC)

Re: You Should Sue

Things might just start to happen. No real web page yet, but at least email is working already: info@gdguild.com - time to form game developer's guild maybe?
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 11:31 pm (UTC)

Welcome to the real world?

I'm sorry to say, but to me a lot of the people here just sound like a bunch of whiners. Sure game programming might be hard work, but what other job out there lets you be surrounded by games/other gamers, and work on creating something you love?

And compare that to single moms who may be taking on 3 part time jobs to make 25K/year, I think you guys still got the better deal.

If most of the people whining here really hate their jobs, they would have quit already, my guess is they won't.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 11:41 pm (UTC)

Re: Welcome to the real world?

Your lack of empathy is heartwarming.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 11:45 pm (UTC)
This is sick and so common in many retail companies also. I have worked for The Wet Seal Inc, and Charlotte Russe, who also treat their retail level employees in the same bogus fashion. As someone who has been able to get out from under the oppression, I look back in pain over how much time I lost and how ill I was while I stayed.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 11:51 pm (UTC)

GameSpot caves in...

GameSpot pulled their news story from their site. I bet EA forced them to pull it. EA probably supplies them with a lot of exclusive stories, etc..

How fair and balanced of them.

Good way to support your inudstry, GameSpot. Way to go.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 11:57 pm (UTC)

Re: GameSpot caves in...

What are you talking about? It's still there:

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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-15 11:57 pm (UTC)

Hey I'll make a deal with you EA guys

I'll do your 90/hr week crunches for you, in exchange for the EA name on my resume. You don't even have to pay me.

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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 12:09 am (UTC)

Re: Hey I'll make a deal with you EA guys

Your on the wrong website then sunshine, I think this is the one that you might want to make that offer on


be sure to include that bit that you'll work for no pay.

No need to thank me.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 12:05 am (UTC)

you can quit and get on EI in Canada


I left my previous job as a photographer for the same reasons that everyone here is posting for, overtime, overwork, forced over scheduling...(and unfortunately got into high tech instead) so there is relief if you are at EAX or EAC. HRDC will investigate any claims of overwork and you must document and try to resolve any conflicts, scheduling, etc. Be thorough as they will assume you are trying to scam them. Photocopy timesheets, keep emails, give references of specific instances/people, etc. I was able to go on EI and get a grant for training in another industry. The more people who quit from the High Tech industry will obviously shed more light on our situation and Human Resources will definitely be documenting them. Be careful as the laws for the labour act were changed in 1998 (mostly due to EAC) to exempt High tech industry from the overtime laws so investigate before you leap. http://www.labour.gov.bc.ca/esb/facshts/high_tech.htm
Hope this helps anyone to get out soon and have EI buy them some time to look for new work.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 12:13 am (UTC)

Quit your damn whining and do something about it.

If the practices are indeed illegal like you stated, your husband is completely covered by law to do something about his situation. I promise you that bitching on the internet isn't going to do anything about it. Call the department of labor and give them an anonymous tip about their mistreatment and once you get an audit going they should shape up.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 12:57 am (UTC)

Re: Quit your damn whining and do something about it.

God, save me from people who can't read, or that can't think beyond "Do something."

Hello? We ARE doing something! We're gauging support, as well as finding out how widespread this problem in the industry. One person doing anything on their own won't do a damn thing, except to get him fired.
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[User Picture]From: communistinc
2004-11-16 12:30 am (UTC)


And what sucks is that EA games doesn't even make GOOD games, especially when it's compared to all the shit that their employees go through. I say, hire some ninjas and stage a coupe of sorts!
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 12:34 am (UTC)


Contact the AFL CIO or another union organizer. Big companies dislike unions and even the threat of one can cause a company to take a deep look at the Employee Relations policy.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 01:00 am (UTC)
Read the comments, people! If one more person suggests "Form a union" without seeing that 200 other people have already suggested it, I swear to g*d I'm going to go postal!

Oh, who am I kidding? Those people that are doing that don't even bother reading the comments before imparting their pearls of wisdom...hence, they won't see this comment.
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From: pakrat80
2004-11-16 01:48 am (UTC)

I feel sorry man

Oh man that sucks. I am in college right now looking at computer animation and graphics. I never thought of EA of being such an asshole. Do you get breaks? I see the kind of hours you are working at to be somewhere around 1.5 months before the game is complete, but to work like that as normal work hours has to be fucking illegal. I'm sorry such talented people are going to waste at such an asshole of a company such as EA.
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[User Picture]From: manic_half
2004-11-16 01:55 am (UTC)
i never did like EA, so i honestly can't say i'm surprised.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 02:19 am (UTC)

Comment from far far away

Hey. This debate made the news in Norway (Europe), and I really hope you get both paid and that EA accepts its foul behaviour. I my country this would be a huge crime, but sadly I think the big companys often have covered thair tracks...hope not. Good luck to you all. And to all of you that are calling them whiners (was it?), I hope you can get over yourselves. One should not accept such behavior just becase its a popular job...that's what the big guys speculate in I guess....

Regards lene
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 03:39 am (UTC)

Re: Comment from far far away

Can you post the link to where you found this story? Thanks for sharing the news. I also heard it made a website called Slash dot, haven't visited, was just informed from a friend in Dallas.

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[User Picture]From: cligammari
2004-11-16 03:00 am (UTC)

Get Organized

EA is a HUGE company and they will fight you tooth and nail so they dont have to pay out a dime. Not that its right...but it is the truth. It sounds easy to "sue them" but it is a big process and they do have the upper hand with fancy-pants lawyers. It is able to be done...if you are organized.

I agree with a lot of what has been said here, even though my SO is currently working at EA (he seems to be exempt from most of these problems) I understand that a lot of employees are being abused and need to stand up for their rights. More power to them.

What is bothering me is the many posts from kids not out of college yet looking into a game/ film graphics career thinking that it will be easy to break into the industry with your college reel and no experience on your resume. What you can expect (if you can find work) is that you are going to have to work harder than everyone else to secure yourself a spot and hopefully gain experience to put on your "empty" resume. Companies like EA are good on your resume and for gaining experience, so you can earn more money. I know this because I used to be the person you would send your reel to (at another large company) Names like EA make your resume stand out over the other places that not everyone has heard of. So ruleing out EA on your demo reel list, just might kick you in the ass later on.

This does not mean you should have to slave away 120 hours a week and make yourself sick. But trust me when I say it will be very hard work and long hours wherever you end up. Concider any experience you get out of college a stepping stone to better things, but you cant bargin with no experience...so dont rule anything out. Just my opinion...
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 05:53 am (UTC)

Re: Get Organized

Yes I completely agree. People trying to find work in the industry just out of college and maybe thinking twice about working for a company like EA in it's current state is far more bothersome than forced overtime with no compensation at all for current employees -- well those who are not exempt from most of these problems. Being terminated after you have been used up and left in ashes doesn't look that great as the first and only entry on a resume either.

The industry is small, everyone knows about EA and their flesh and bone resource strategies. If you yourself are not one of the EA walking charred and don't currently know someone who is you will eventually know/meet someone who is/was.. and they always have a new and more gruesome horror story about EA than the last one you heard. Some might even see this as carrying a sign that says "Yes sir, may I have another!"

One ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. But have no fear EA will still have lines of young dreamers waiting to be thrown on the pyre.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 03:02 am (UTC)

Electronic Arts Overtime Litigation

Don't know if you guys have heard this, didn't get to scan recent msgs, just got it off of penny-arcade:

UPDATE 11/15/04 8:50 pm CST:
From the forums of penny-arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81073&start=150):

Electronic Arts Overtime Litigation (http://www.eaovertimecase.com/)

On July 29, 2004, Jamie Kirschenbaum, an Electronic Arts, Inc. (“EA”) employee, filed a class action lawsuit against EA, claiming that EA has failed to comply with California labor laws requiring it to pay overtime. Kirschenbaum seeks to represent a class of employees including “animators,” “modelers,” “texture artists,” “lighters,” “background effects artists,” “special effects artists” and “environmental artists,” who worked at EA at any time from July 29, 2000 to the present. The complaint seeks to obtain past due overtime compensation for these employees, as well as statutory penalties. In addition, the case seeks to require EA to pay these employees for overtime worked in the future.

Please here click to view the complaint (http://www.eaovertimecase.com/Complaint.pdf) in Kirschenbaum, v. Electronic Arts, Inc., et al., Superior Court of the State of California for the County of San Mateo, Case No. 440876.

If you are a current or former EA employee who would like to participate in the litigation, or if you have questions about your legal rights in the litigation, please contact one of the attorneys representing the plaintiffs in this litigation:

Miranda Kolbe
Schubert & Reed LLP
Two Embarcadero Center, Suite 1660
San Francisco, CA 94111
(415) 788-4220
EAovertime@schubert-reed.com (mailto:EAovertime@schubert-reed.com)

Todd Heyman
Shapiro Haber & Urmy LLP
53 State Street, 37th Floor
Boston, MA 02109
(617) 439-3939
EAovertime@shulaw.com (mailto:EAovertime@shulaw.com)

Additional information about the lawyers prosecuting the case is available at www.schubert-reed.com (http://www.schubert-reed.com/) and www.shulaw.com (http://www.shulaw.com/).

More 'EA Management Motivational Posters' on the way (as soon as I can make them up, haha.)

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[User Picture]From: forestjay
2004-11-16 03:26 am (UTC)

This is why I don't work as a Game Programmer.

I actually interviewed with EA.com in 2000 to work on their internet sports games. After the interview several people got laid off and I was glad a hiring freeze was made.

While this story is worse then many game companies, it's repeated thoughout the industry. I have a wife and son which I gladly give up my chance to create games for. Instead of working in the industry I work as a medical software company that's never had lay-offs and rarely requires more then 40 hours a week.

In the New England area Blue Fang (Zoo Tycoon series) is one of the better places to work. Stainless Steel Studios, Ensemble, and Turbine are other big names in the area. Blue Fang's CEO is one of the few executives in the industry to recognize and act on the fact that overtime decreases productivity. Yet, even at that company they have 'scheduled' crunch time. If I remember correctly they usually work 45 - 50 hours a week (real hours not time reading LJs or playing foozeball). Once a month they have a crunch week where people work 70 hours. Near a deadline they go into crunch mode (for no more than a month) with the 70 hour weeks being the norm and the 45 - 50 hour weeks being once every 4 weeks.

The industry is young and good business practices have been slow to be adopted. It's also a high demand career so companies can often push employees further or replace them. There are jokes throughout the industry that "Orphan's are Preferred" and the age LIMIT is 30ish.

I'm sure this comment will be buried among the other 40 billion, especially since Penny Arcade made a link to it. Still, if any human actually reads it, I hope the best for EA employees and that their management will grow. Personally I don't buy EA games because they are always uninspired.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 03:28 am (UTC)

An investor perspective (part 1)

Hey, I've read through the entire 30 pages of comments and I thought I'd chip in an investor perspective. There is going to be some rambling because I want to cover a lot of topics. For a bit of background, I'm a gamer as well as a small-time speculator. By speculator, I mean that I don't buy and hold (like those mutual fund companies tell you to do), but buy and sell depending on my view of a company's prospects (not day trading based on technicals though). Since I don't play with a lot of money, I don't have any influence, per se, but I do my best to make more money than I lose. Currently I don't have any open positions in the game industry, except for starbreeze, which has been a wash.
From the investor point of view, I can see EA focusing on 2 things, recurring revenue through "franchises" as well as reducing the "risk of development" by commoditizing its staffing. 2 years ago, when I first observed EA's actions, I was puzzled, but with time, I began to understand. Keep in mind this is all from an outsider's perspective, so I have no idea what's going on inside the buildings. The first thing I noticed was EA institutionalizing its dev studios. Original names were removed, and replaced by generic EA (location). Gone were Bullfrog, Origin, Westwood Studios, and others. Then came the centralization of studios, building large buildings and combining them. As well, all the star talent, save for Will Wright, have basically left. I thought it was an idiotic move...why buy up a studio and then let go what was a large contributing factor (although by no means the only one) to the studio's success? I came to realize that it wanted to make its development resources uniform, so that no particular person would be able to cause disruption to the company when he or she left, because he or she could easily be replaced by someone else. The prize in buying the studios were the brands (Command and Conquer, Ultima, SIM-stuff, etc.), which at the time I underestimated their value. Now, seeing the comments here makes the picture even clearer for me now, and hiring fresh grads is an especially devious trick. As a sidenote, I'm not entirely sure about this, but from what I gather, Will Wright has been segregated in the old Maxis building with about 50(?) people, trying to find the next big thing, while the other 200(?) of "Maxis" have been relocated to the central building for the location, where they work on Sims 2, Sims Online, and Sims 2 expansions, so even Maxis has been mostly commoditized. As for outsourcing, EA has already done started it, and seems proud of it, given their press releases. IIRC, the miscellaneous objects in NFSU ("over 800 objects") was done in India, and I predict more will come in the future.
Then came "franchise-building". More and more games were made into "franchises", where each game was built upon the previous game, but with more features and prettier graphics. "Consumers can be sure of what they get when they buy a game in our franchise, they won't get something that may not appeal to them because they know they already enjoyed the previous one," or at least the logic went. Games weren't considered just by their own merits, but by how many sequels that could be made after. If some product line could be made into selling regularly with time, it would become reliable revenue stream, which basically is a corporation's wet dream. That's why there isn't any C&C Tiberian Twilight, because what would come after it? But instead, we have C&C Generals. And I'll wager C&C Generals 2 is next, or perhaps C&C Generals (subtitle), after they finish the LoTR RTS.
(continued in part 2)
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 03:32 am (UTC)

An investor perspective (part 2)

From an enthusiast gamer perspective, nothing galls me more than "franchises", except perhaps ads in games and "unlockables" or "replay value", because I like to enjoy new experiences. I actually was a huge fan of both Maxis and Westwood Studios before I realized that the creativity and fun was being engineered out of their games. I have every single Simcity until 3000, including Scurk, Sc2k scenarios, Urban Renewal Kit, and even Simcopter, until I realized something was missing. Similarly, I own every single C&C, including the expansions, up until RA2: Yuri's Revenge. Finally realizing, I looked at Generals, and wondered, what's here that I haven't had before? Now I can see at least one major contributing factor to this phenomena, which is the commoditization of its development staff, or in other words, making them easily replaceable. I feel for the people at both Criterian and DICE, they'll probably be treated the same way as all the other studios EA has purchased.
I don't really see EA innovating, except perhaps out of Will Wright, whom they seemed to have deemed worth keeping, and who seems to not mind staying. The way EA views staffing seems to preclude any possible creativity. With perhaps the exception of Fight Night, all they do is copy and refine, although they seem to have got the refinement process down pat. One of the most obvious examples is LoTR the Third Age, it's just Final Fantasy refined, with a license slapped on. Many others exist too, but I won't list them since this post is quite long already.
One depressing point is that the other major game publishers see EA's success and is trying adopting the mantra, the question is whether or not they're copying it "well". For those of you who listen to conference calls, you may have noticed EA preaching about franchises a few years back, and now other companies are taking up the script. Every company is trying to become mini-EA, or EA 2.0. Among the examples are Midway is renaming its studios Midway Studios (location) and Activision brags about having "5 different million-selling franchises". Activision doesn't rename its studios though, so not everyone is copying everything. Of course studio names by themselves aren't very important, but they could be a symptom of the problems underneath. However, while other companies may have problems with the way they treat their staff, I'm pretty sure this probably not universal.
Concerning overworking, it really is mystifying why a manager would push knowledge workers this way, unless the manager had no brains at all. It's not the hours that a person puts in that matters, but the output, and tired, overworked knowledge workers can't produce close to what a happy, well-rested one can, even if pushed to work many more hours.
As for unions, as an investor, it's easy to develop a distaste for them, but in this case, it may be needed. Unions primarily have 3 benefits: Collective bargaining, a voice at the table, and getting respect/clout. When staff are treated as disposable, then unions are definitely an advantage. If someone who rocks the boat can be easily replaced by someone else, then staff have no clout. On the other hand, unions have 3 primary disadvantages: They are a money drain (to support union staff), they create a confrontational atmosphere, and they create inflexibility. These are actually large disadvantages if allowed to get out of control, but in this case it already seems that there is a atmosphere of fear, so a union wouldn't make that worse. I think the point at which a union becomes cancer is when union executives start to focus on making the union more powerful, rather than trying to help the people it is supposed to represent. And of course, if it ends up that a person has no voice within his or her own union, then it won't really help if the union has a voice for the company.
(continued in part 3)
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-16 04:56 am (UTC)

Since we're naming names here...

Don't forget those talented and unhappy people who work at Rockstar. They like the little, successful gamers so much they bought the companies! And, just to add insult to injury, they sent their own producers (read overseers) along to "motivate" the slaves. They fit the EA profile to a tee.
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